Tamra Judge: Gina Kirschenheiter RUINED My Friendship with Shannon Beador!

After the way that Tamra Judge betrayed Shannon Beador, it looks like Shannon isn’t speaking to Tamra.

Now, Tamra has given a new interview.

In it, she lays all of the blame for her fractured friendship at the feet of Gina Kirschenheiter.

In an interview with TooFab, Tamra Judge says that she has now seen a very important The Real Housewives of Orange County scene.

She says that it hasn’t convinced her that Gina is anything other than a sneaky saboteur.

“To me,” Tamra says. “As I watch it, that’s what I see it like, It’s like, ‘Hey, now we’re friends, let’s team up."”

She is referring to Gina telling Shannon about what Tamra and others had said behind Shannon’s back.

“It was really a weird situation,” Tamra shares. “Because she’s never been close to Shannon, ever.”

Tamra doesn’t buy it: “So for her to say, ‘Oh, I’m so worried about your mental state,’ but yet, prior to that, all she was doing was shit-talking Shannon?”

With those words, Gina drove a wedge between Tamra and Shannon’s friendship.

“It wasn’t cool at all,” Tamra says.

Tamra is especially critical of Gina’s timing.

She says that it was a shady move, “especially when she had [cosmetic eye] surgery a few days prior.”

We all saw that Shannon was trying to focus on her recovery at the time.

“She just wanted to get her upset,” Tamra characterizes.

Gina, in Tamra’s eyes, is just a troublemaker — a troublemaker with no clear endgame.

“My biggest thing is like, what was her point of doing that?” Tamra asks.

One does wonder what Gina had to gain, because Tamra doesn’t think that she was just trying to be earnest.

“She [got close to] Shannon like 15 minutes ago,” Tamra characterizes.

Tamra continues: “and all of a sudden, she wants to sit down and say, ‘Hey, let me just tell you what your friends are saying."”

“In Gina’s defense, she did say ‘friends,"” Tamra admits.

Tamra says: “but when I got the message [from Shannon], it was more like, ‘Gina said you were saying all kinds of horrible things about my mental state."”

Clearly, Shannon was very distressed at the time. She has been going through so much this year.

“And,” Tamra explains. “That’s why I said to Gina, ‘Let me hear your side of the story before I lose my s–t."”

“But her side of the story wasn’t great,” Tamra says.

That said, it doesn’t sound like everyone’s still at each other’s throats.

Tamra tells TooFab that she and the other Housewives parted ways “on decent terms” after filming the reunion special in October.

“Nobody’s fighting,” Tamra claims. “Well, except for Kelly [Dodd] and Vicki [Gunvalson].”

We all saw Kelly’s recent assessment of who should and should not return to the series.

“It’s funny because neither one of them think the other should be on the show anymore,” Tamra says.

“But I think they’re both great for the show,” Tamra notes. “They’re exactly what the show needs.”

So, what was Gina’s real motive for speaking to Shannon?

Maybe she really was just trying to be a good friend.

Her characterization of what the other women were saying didn’t miss the mark by much.

That said, chaos for the sake of chaos may have also been a motive.

We’re not accusing Gina of being a chaos demon.

But she’s a Real Housewife — you know that she wants to come back next season.

Proving that she can stir up drama like this sounds like a great way to get a ticket back next season.

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Tamra Judge: Great, Now Shannon Beador Won"t Even Speak to Me!

The stars of The Real Housewives of Orange County are in conflict.

After watching how things played out on the latest episode, Shannon Beador can no longer trust Tamra Judge.

In fact, she’s no longer even speaking to her former bestie.

Bravo did a rundown of everyone’s current relationship status with Shannon Beador, and some of those answers may surprise you.

“I don’t speak to Shannon,” Gina makes clear.

“You know, Shannon doesn’t speak to me,” Gina clarifies.

“And I personally feel like if there’s any fallout pertaining to the text messages,” Gina says. “It wouldn’t be directed at me.”

Gina concludes: “but more at what her friends were saying on that trip.”

That makes sense. Disagreements with a co-star are one thing.

Betrayal and backstabbing from your so-called friends is another thing altogether.

Tama realizes that Shannon is pissed at her … but insists that it’s not her fault, actually.

“Well Shannon is upset with all of us,” Tamra admits. “And I think Vicki is the only one she’s talking to.”

“Which is so weird,” Tamra claims. “Because I think Vicki called her extra large.”

Tamra also lists that Vicki “said she couldn’t take her kids to school, slept all day, that she drank too much and she needed medication.”

“And I basically said, like, ‘I want you to me more positive,’ and I’m the a–hole,” Tamra laments.

It sounds like Tamra is digging that hole deeper and alienating Shannon more by talking about it like this.

Vicki Gunvalson says that she has regrets about the way that she and others talked about Shannon.

“I think Shannon was really disappointed in how we talked about her when she wasn’t there,” Vicki shares.

“So,” she continues. “I regret that.”

Vicki has gone through some real personal growth.

“Watching it,” Vicki admits. “I probably should have been a little more compassionate.”

“So, that makes me feel sad for her,” Vicki says.

Notice how her tone is frank and remorseful rather than defensive. She could try to pin the blame on others, but does not.

Tamra apparently reached out to Shannon when she knew that the episode was coming out.

“I sent her a message that day,” Tamra says. “And I’m like, ‘Hey listen, you know, I know it is a hard episode for you."”

Tamra’s message to Shannon continued: “‘but I love you and this was so long ago.’”

“But,” Tamra characterizes. “She lives in TV time.”

What Tamra means is that Shannon relived the unpleasant experiences while watching the episode.

She also gained new and upsetting insight into what her “friends” thought of her at the time.

“[We] talked 100 times a day,” Tamra says of before this week’s episode aired. “So, it all goes back to that whole ‘icing out, poor me."”

Despite Tamra mocking Shannon’s feelings on this matter, she and Shannon used to be fast friends.

The two got into some conflict while filming this season — months ago.

However, the two of them made up during the filming of this season’s reunion episode.

It was only this week, with the latest episode’s revelations, that things once again soured between the former besties.

Shannon is pissed, and Tamra is indignant.

Tamra and Shannon used to be not just friends, but allies in their shared feud with Vicki Gunvalson.

You need allies when you’re facing off against Vicki. But they both made peace with Queen V.

Shannon would not be the first person to decide, after years of being close, that Tamra is a toxic person.

Remember, Tamra’s own adult daughter wants nothing to do with her mother.

Will Shannon and Tamra make nice?

Or is it just a matter of time before Eddie’s the only person still willing to give Tamra the time of day?

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Shannon Beador Attacks Fellow Housewife in Cryptic Post

It looks like not everyone has made nice since Shannon Beador flipped out on her castmates in Jamaica.

Shannon has taken to social media to condemn people who cause drama — without naming any names.

One fellow Housewife saw it … and may have implied that they’re no longer friends.

Shannon Beador apologized to her co-stars following her big blow-up in Jamaica.

But there are clearly some lingering issues and conflicts.

At least, that’s what Shannon implied with her recent post.

She shared one of those messages designed for older moms to share on social media (which is exactly her demographic, we’re not being shady).

The post reads: “For those of you who like to stir the pot, make sure you have a tight grip on the handle.”

Shannon captioned the photo with a simple tag: “#verytightgrip.”

Shannon didn’t name any names, but Tamra Judge saw fit to comment under the post.

“Love you my friend,” Tamra’s comment begins.

“We were good,” she writes.

(Really interesting use of the past tense, there)

“No,” Tamra continues. “I should have not talked about my frustrations.”

“But,” she points out. “I’m pretty sure Gina & Kelly called you mental.”

Shannon may have flipped out on a number of her co-stars while in Jamaica, but we all remember Tamra screaming in response.

Commenters remember the role that Tamra played, even if they didn’t always spell her name correctly.

“Gina definitely stirred it,” one commenter wrote, keeping with the pot-stirring metaphor. “But Tamara supplied the ingredients.”

Tamra saw this and responded: “No I didn’t.”

“Pretty sure the other girls said shannon had mental problems,” Tamra insisted. “I was coming from place of concern.”

Tamra may have taken Shannon’s vaguepost personally, but many asssumed that Gina Kirschenheiter was the one being vagued.

(Remember, if it’s not a tweet, it can’t be a subtweet — it’s a vague)

Gina did go around saying that “everyone” was talking about Shannon’s mental state.

And Vicki Gunvalson slammed her new castmates for being “obsessed” with Shannon.

Neither Gina nor Emily made fast friends with Shannon.

At the end of the day, pot-stirring aside, Shannon’s big blow-up on camera may have been as much from the heat in Jamaica as anything else.

They were staying at a hotel that had no air conditioning. It was summer.

These Housewives are made of sterner stuff than I am — I would have quit the show to flee from that heat.

Some fans openly suggested that Shannon’s conflict with co-stars arose because she envied the younger, newer Housewives.

After all, Emily is happy with her life, and Gina is going through her divorce with dignity and even contentment.

But Kelly Dodd insists that Shannon isn’t jealous of the new women.

She says that Shannon just takes a while to warm up to new people, and that she doesn’t handle change very well.

(Who among us does handle change well? I don’t even like when other people rearrange the furniture in their homes)

Combine Shannon’s resistance to change with the stress of her messy, contentious divorce from David, and you can see why she’s on edge.

But Shannon didn’t really spell out the intended target of her post.

It could mean Gina — but it could also mean Tamra.

(It seems more likely that Tamra just assumed that it was about her, because Tamra can be a little tightly wound)

This may be one of those “You’re So Vain” situations where, if you think it’s about you, it’s about you.

But we will say that Shannon and Gina seem to have mended fences. Social media has shown them hanging out.

The peril of vague posts is that they’re always vague, and you risk upsetting people you didn’t mean to offend.

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David Beador and Lesley Cook: Engaged?

David Beador may be in the midst of a messy divorce from Shannon Beador, but he’s also dating again.

He and his girlfriend, Lesley Cook, embarked upon a romantic vacation to Greece.

But the photos that Lesley shared have followers suspicious that the two of them are engaged.

“Somebody pinch me,” Lesley captioned this photo, snapped by David Beador.

The couple was on a plane that was still being boarded at LAX.

A romantic getaway to Greece is a great sign for their relationship, but fans think that there’s more to it.

Notice how Lesley appears to be conspicuously hiding the fingers of one of her hands?

Fans believe that she’s concealing an engagement ring … and that the image may even have been flipped to further obfuscate an engagement.

Once in Greece, Lesley’s pattern of never showing both hands at once continues.

We don’t mean to distract from their romantic adventures, either.

They saw a number of gorgeous sites, including the sacred ruins of the Parthenon.

“Beautiful night with my love!” Lesley gushed on social media. “This view is surreal!”

This image in particular really piqued people’s curiosity.

We hate to take attention away from the beautiful sights, but … look at how David’s hand is covering Lesley’s.

Fans believe that this image may have been reversed.

If so, David’s fingers are doing a mostly adequate job of covering up Lesley’s ring finger … but you can tell that there’s something there.

If they did get engaged, perhaps it was before this vacation.

Lesley may be trying to strike a balance between proudly wearing the ring in person and not revealing it over the internet.

Dating a public figure can present some very unusual challenges.

The two of them seemed to enjoy their time in Greece (we should hope so!).

They enjoyed a stunning view of the Parthenon at night while on a dinner date at Hotel Grande Bretagne.

A number of their photos were in Athens, but they didn’t spend all of their time in Greece in one place.

It looks like they tried to balance sightseeing with making time for their romance and relationship.

That’s what you want to aim for on a romantic vacation — whether or not it’s also to celebrate an engagement.

So, if these two are engaged, why cover it up?

They’ve been dating for nearly a year, right? So it’s not like they’re rushing things.

Maybe it has to do with David’s ongoing divorce negotiations.

(At the very least, it might be smart to not piss off Shannon while they’re still haggling over money)

Maybe they want to finish telling all of their friends and family before they announce it to the public.

Or maybe Lesley just hopes to avoid getting hate from some of Shannon’s more zealous fans.

To be honest, if they’re not engaged, we’d be at a loss to explain why Lesley’s hands can’t both appear in a recent photo.

If they’re engaged, congratulations are in order, we suppose.

Shannon is moving on, so it’s only fair that David does, too. We hope that the three Beador girls like Lesley.

David was kind of a jerk to Shannon, from cheating and body-shaming during their marriage to getting so aggressive during the divorce.

We hope that he’s found some chill, or Lesley might go through all of those same things that Shannon did.

If David doesn’t want to pay support to Shannon, one day, he may balk at paying it to Lesley.

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Shannon Beador and Vicki Gunvalson Wake Up From Surgery on This Sneak Peek

In the aftermath of Shannon Beador flipping out and then apologizing to her fellow Housewives, the show needs some levity.

In this The Real Housewives of Orange County sneak peek, Shannon and Vicki have both undergone surgery.

When they come to, however, their experiences are very different. One of them is deeply hilarious.

"In a perfect world, would I like to have my partner waiting for me when I get out of surgery?" Shannon asks.

She asks if she would love to have such a partner "putting his arm around me, saying ‘I’m going to take care of you and everything’s going to be OK?’"

She answers her own questions: "Absolutely."

Obviously, anyone wants emotional support, especially when they"re just coming out of surgery.

Since Shannon is currently single, however, she doesn"t have that.

Fortunately, Shannon knows how to keep things in perspective.

"But you know what?" Shannon asks rhetorically.

"I have a driver," Shannon says. "And Sophie and the kids are waiting for me when I get home."

That"s more than a lot of people have.

Shannon concludes: "And that’s all I can ask for."

It"s always good to focus on the positives in your life, rather than simply on what you don"t have.

We promised that there would be some levity in this clip, and there absolutely is.

Vicki Gunvalson also went into the hospital to have some face-fillers removed.

Her boyfriend, Steve Lodge, arrived to show her moral support — you know, the kind that Shannon would have liked.

Vicki was still a little loopy, however, and immediately asks Steve some awkward questions.

"Do you love me?" Vicki asks. "Am I pretty?"

It sounds like Shannon might be better off. People aren"t always at their best when they"re under the influence.

Vicki then tells Steve that she has "no panties on right now."

Earlier this year, Vicki explained why she intended to have her face fillers removed.

"I had a lot of fillers in my face and I didn’t feel like it was me anymore," Vicki said.

"I had too many doctors, too many different times say ‘let’s do this, let’s do that, let’s fill here, let’s do Voluma, let’s do Sculptra,’" Vicki continues.

You know, on the very first episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County that I ever saw, she was having a botox party.

It seems that she"s changed her tune.

"And," Vicki says. "By the time I was done I looked in the mirror and was like COMMA ‘I don’t even look like myself.’"

Apparently, part of that has been Steve"s supportive influence. 

"I said to him the other day, ‘My boobies are a little bit lower. I want them higher up here,’" Vicki shares.

Vicki says that Steve didn"t agree: "He goes, ‘You promised me you wouldn’t do anything else,’"

"No," Vicki decides. "For right now I’m at peace."

Good for her!

It"s always easy to poke fun at women who undergo multiple cosmetic procedures on their faces and breasts.

Of course, it starts to get considerably less funny once you think about the powerful social forces that demand that women look a certain way.

These cultural pressures are compounded for women who are on television, for older women, and for women who are trying to date.

Some would say that Vicki and Shannon almost had no choice but to go under the knife a time or two if they wanted to remain on television.

That is a grim thought.

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Shannon Beador: JEALOUS of Emily Simpson and Gina Kirschenheiter?

Viewers of The Real Housewives of Orange County watched Shannon Beador flip out on anyone and everyone in sight.

While Shannon did apologize, it really pulled into focus how unfriendly she has been towards the two newest cast members.

Is Shannon jealous of Emily and Gina? Kelly Dodd has a theory. …

When asked who is the biggest buzzkill, Kelly Dodd reluctantly names Shannon.

"I have to say, Shannon is the best, the most fun, I hang out with her the most," Kelly begins.

"But she can just take it down," Kelly says, snapping.

The implication here is that Shannon can turn an otherwise enjoyable time into a miserable one if she"s in the right mood.

Kelly clearly doesn"t mean it as an insult, just as a fact.

A new caller asks Kelly why it seems that Shannon is initially unfriendly to newer members of the RHOC cast.

The caller speculates that perhaps Shannon is jealous of these women.

"Shannon"s not jealous of anyone," Kelly quickly states.

Kelly explains Shannon"s apparent cold shoulder: "It just takes her a long time to warm up to people."

"I mean, not everybody has to like everyone," Kelly reasons.

Kelly wants to make it clear that there"s a difference between being slow to make friends and being a stone cold b–ch.

"But Shannon is such a great person once you get to know and meet her," Kelly insists.

You know what? That"s not surprising to hear.

Kelly continues: "She"s just an awesome, awesome person."

Shannon"s recently aired outburst in Jamaica was the exception, not the rule.

Andy then comments about how it"s been a real treat to watch Kelly and Shannon"s relationship develop.

The two of them are now real friends. 

Once upon a time, Shannon didn"t really give Kelly the time of day.

Now, things have really changed.

"I just talked to her tonight," Kelly mentions as an example.

Earlier in October, Shannon explained why she didn"t start to instantly become friends with Emily or Gina or other new Housewives.

"I will admit," Shannon says. "Because I will own my part — that I don’t like change."

"When two new girls come in and they’re almost half my age, it’s like, OK …" she explains.

"We don’t have that much in common," Shannon reasons. "So you get to a point where you have to prioritize."

"I have a business, I have three kids on my own, and I’m going through things that are taking up my time," she points out.

"So," Shannon asks. "Should I put those aside so I can spend time with a 32-year-old?"

First of all, shout-out to Shannon Beador for making a lot of us feel young by thinking she can"t even relate to a woman in her thirties.

Yes, Gina Kirschenheiter is in her thirties — she"s 34, not 32, but that"s all the same to Shannon.

Emily Simpson, for the record, is about 20 years older than that.

But Shannon wasn"t only citing age.

For the most part, she just has a lot on her plate.

And, as Kelly says, she doesn"t make friends instantly.

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Vicki Gunvalson Defends Shannon Beador, Slams Gina and Emily

Maybe a year and a half ago, Shannon Beador was blaming Vicki Gunvalson’s rumor-mongering for her weight gain. Now, things are very different.

On the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County, Shannon Beador flipped out.

Vicki is riding to Shannon’s defense, saying that the situation was unfair — and was Gina and Emily’s fault.

Vicki Gunvalson took to her Bravo blog to defend Shannon.

First and foremost, Vicki set the stage for Shannon snapping the way that she did.

“We were all miserable in Jamaica, as it was way too hot,” Vicki shares.

She writes: “And the hotel rooms did not have air conditioning due to an air compressor being broken.”

(I wouldn’t wish for even my worst enemy to be in Virginia without air conditioning. Jamaica? I’d have quit the show and flown back right away)

“They were able to eventually accommodate us on the last few days and moved us to a new villa where it was nice and cool,” Vicki says.

“I think all of our nerves were shot,” Vicki explains. “And things heated up and got out of control.”

Now that she’s explained everyone’s frayed nerves and Shannon’s ponytail, she starts in on the actual conflict.

“I think we should have calmly discussed our concerns or issues with Shannon, without going on the attack mode,” Vicki writes.

“I’ve been on the receiving end of this type of argument when people go after you,” she says. “And it’s not fun by any means.”

Vicki wants to make it very clear that she was not a deliberate participant in this, and that her concern about Shannon appearing to be drinking alone was genuine.

“I told Shannon just today that she is in a much better place than she was six months ago when this was filmed,” Vicki adds.

“And,” she continues. “I’m proud of her strength and accomplishments.”

“It was taken out of context when I said Shannon has ‘rich girl problems’ when she was talking about having to move again,” Vicki writes.

“She was not discussing the amount of support she receives,” Vicki clarifies. “Or that she was ungrateful for it.”

Vicki says: “she was just saying she just got settled in her home and now she had to look for a new place.”

You know what? That’s valid.

Also, has anyone noticed how much Vicki is trying to hold herself accountable for her words these days? Good for her.

Hey, so, remember that part of this week’s episode when Tamra responded to Shannon by screaming at her? Vicki remembers.

“I don’t know all the history of why Tamra got so upset with Shannon,” Vicki says. “Other than what I have heard from Tamra.”

“She was truly concerned for Shannon,” Vicki continues. “And felt Shannon wasn’t there for Tamra during that time.”

Vicki continues: “I just think the delivery could have been a little ‘softer."”

“Like Shannon said, she thought it was resolved at their lunch date at Roger’s Garden,” Vicki notes. “So clearly there was more that transpired after that, which I wasn’t aware of.”

As we discussed, Tamra no longer feels sorry for Shannon, which is quite a thing to say about your BFF.

Vicki sounds fed up: “I don’t know why Gina and Emily are so obsessed with ‘being friends with Shannon."”

“It’s clear that they don’t have an authentic interest in her life or what she is going through,” Vicki assesses.

“Nor do I think it’s fair to continue to talk about it,” Vicki says. “Friendships happen naturally and are never good if they are forced.”

(Spoken like a woman who’s never used overt friendliness as a weapon to get her way, we take it)

Real talk, though, Gina and Emily probably want to forge these friendships to cement their place on the show.

“It’s like they are obsessed with talking about it,” Vicki continues.

In Vicki’s eyes, “Just because they are hanging out with Shannon doesn’t mean they have to be BFF’s.”

“My feeling,” Vicki writes. “Is to let it flow naturally.”

It can be difficult to very naturally form friendships while on camera, however.

“Shannon and I don’t see much of Gina and Emily,” Vicki shades. “So I don’t know why they are so focused on it.”

In Vicki’s eyes: “For some of the girls to continue to prod Tamra on her friendship with Shannon when they knew it was issue is just plain mean.”

“It is disingenuous of Gina to purposely try to drive a wedge between Tamra and Shannon and then claim to be some victim,” Vicki accuses.

Vicki has a theory: “It’s like she thinks she is going to win Tamra over if she is friends with her and not Shannon?”

“Are we in grade school?” Vicki asks. “Is this a game?”

“Gina does not have the history Tamra and Shannon do,” Vicki says. “And my advice is to leave them be and let them sort this out on their own.”

“They sure don’t need Gina’s advice on this,” in Vicki’s opinion.

“Shannon’s situation is completely different than anyone else’s,” Vicki affirms. “Her divorce is nasty and very difficult to handle.”

“Kelly stirred the pot by telling Shannon that Tamra thinks Shannon isn’t a good friend,” she accuses. “That’s not being a friend at all.”

“She threw that out there and then walked away smirking, which is extremely mean,” Vicki writes. “It is NOT ok talking ‘crap’ on your friend behind her back.”

“And,” Vicki continues. “When Kelly said ‘David must have been a saint’ is wrong and NOT ok.”

“She owes Shannon an apology,” Vicki concludes. “As they are very good friends still.”

Who’d have thought this time last year that Vicki would come riding to Shannon’s defense?

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